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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Bridget Conant » Wed May 30, 2018 5:51 pm

Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Bridget Conant wrote:They promised to provide transportation for Lakewood seniors who had doctors move west. There’s no bus service from here to the Jacobs facility in Avon.

From what I understand, that promise has not been kept.

Seems a rather simple promise and one that would increase both ACCESS to healthcare and increase wellness.

I suspect it’s just another if the broken promises we’ve been fed




Bridget

The Cleveland Clinic runs a shuttle between all of their hospitals. I am not sure how they are routed, scheduled or run. Years ago in a discussion over a Bill Call comment I was made aware and I am sure you have seen the Cleveland Clinic shuttles around town.

I have a sneaking suspicion they are not FREE, but they could be.

I will add that to my next round of questions.

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No, I have not seen Clinic shuttles around town. And as far as I can tell, the only shuttle service they offer is from the Main Campus:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/patients/travel/transportation


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby cmager » Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 pm

Jim O'Bryan wrote:The Clinic snuck nothing out. They were given the right to take them out by LHA and our elected officials who merely acted like they were not complicit. I have a question for you. You go to the Art Museum, and the director and staff say, we can put this picasso in your car, it is worth millions, and you will never be charged and be given a bill of sale. Do you say no? That is exactly what our elected officials and LHA did, not the Clinic. And now they are covering that up by destroying and hiding documents. Do not fall for the lies and the smoke screen.

1. If one accepts this portrayal of a passive Clinic?
2. Yes! You most definitely say NO to putting a Picasso in your car. HELL NO, in fact. The Clinic and their army of lawyers, no doubt some from Lakewood, should have marched to a law enforcement agency capable of investigating and prosecuting public corruption. Absolve the Clinic of none of this.


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Wed May 30, 2018 6:08 pm

Richard Baker wrote:Family health care and all the bullshit does not replace EMERGENCY CARE for a city of 56,000 souls. Never in the history of Lakewood has so few, screwed so many. Incidentally, Jim;, if I recall you were on the advisory board of Cleveland Clinic Lakewood, were you not? When I attempt to publish data from the City of Lakewood about the the contract between Cleveland Clinic and the City of Lakewood it was not published. Jim, would you care to enlightening us on the fact that you were used?
Cleveland Clinic strategy has been and always was to rid themselves of the Lakewood hospital competition using mayors with vested interest and dumber than a box of rocks councilmen. Now a city of 56,000 people are without local valid emergency care hospital or doctors care. Incidentally, when I took my eleven year old son to the Lakewood Hospital emergency care system because he had a compound fracture of his left wrist, they gave us a number 76 in line waiting for examination. I took him to Saint Johns where children are a priority and he was seen immediately and treated.
Do I care if your a Lakewood citizen that dies on the ambulance ride to another Cleveland Clinic hospital that is out of town, no. However, God forbid those if my grandchildren don't receive the immediate care required to save their lives.


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I was on the Community board which is basically a feel good group of people regularly invited to give money to the Clinic. With the exception of Health Care bills I have not given one penny to the Clinic. Also after the first meeting of the Community Board the fluffiness of the entire thing bothered me and I never attended another meeting and had my name removed from the list.

Any attempt to publish documents in the print Observer were handled by the Editorial staff not me. For over a decade I never read the paper until it was printed. This was done by me just to make sure I never tried to exert any control over the publishing process. Recently I have taken over layout of the print version but generally I work from lists provided by the editorial staff.

As far as being used by the Clinic, I have to say straight up they saved my life, and for that I am a huge Clinic fan. Metro and the Essi also saved my life and I feel the same way about them. At one point the Cleveland Clinic was the Observer Project largest advertiser. They never asked for nor would they have been given any real benefits such as killing stories or cover-ups. They and all advertisers have always understood that from day one of their association with the Observer. They buy space in the paper, nothing else. When I was given many clues as to the City renegotiation the Clinic contract the only thing that held me back from reporting it for nearly 5 months was checking facts as it was a major story that affected many lives. I do wish I broke it in September 2014 when I got the first wind of it. One of the things holding the announcement back was me discussing it with Mayor Summers who for 2.5 months said he was looking into it. All lies. When I realized he was lying and covering it up I broke the story. Even with us and many Observers attacking the Clinic they continued their ads asking for nothing special.

That said, and through this entire debacle the Cleveland Clinic has never lied nor misrepresented one thing to me. Every question I have asked them they have answered usually immediately and I cannot remember them beating around the bush. I would ask you to recall that until February 15 Mayor Summers said the Hospital was not closing. At that meeting he started off first and said the hospital was not closing. Toby Cosgrove got up later at the meeting and said point blank, the Hospital would close on June 16. Even after that, Mayor Summers tried to say, it is not really closing just changing it's form. I have friends on LHF, LHA, at the Cleveland Clinic, none of them lied to me. The only group that played me and the Lakewood Observer was City Hall and the elected officials that were our fiduciary agents on LHA. To this day City Hall hides documents, fights the public's right to know in court and is dedicated to covering up and lying about the process.

Could I have done it better, you bet, and I regret it to this day.

Cleveland Clinic's strategy was not to rid themselves of Lakewood Hospital, I would say far from it. It was City Hall that asked them to renegotiate the contract. It was our elected officials working as our fiduciary agents that allowed and even expedited the removal of services from Lakewood Hospital to other hospitals. With that said, I will admit the Lakewood Hospital was bound to close or change in dimension. Some of this is from Mayor Cain's refusal to give them the entire hospital, which set the growth of Fairview Hospital in motion. I would say another key moment was when Lakewood Hospital wanted to acquire more land and homes for growth they were fought by residents and backed off the plan for growth. The close proximity with the cost and specialization of medicine certainly put a target on Lakewood Hospitals back. BUT at the same time the Clinic was being paid $25 million a year off the top to run it, and was basically guaranteed it would not lose money running it. Which made Lakewood Hospital a nice little cash cow. Throw in 51,000 residents that would all need a hospital sooner and later it became a nice little gem in their pocket.

I will never forget when an ex-Clinic attorney came up to me at Crop Bistro while I was having lunch. He was at the next table speaking with longtime friend Jimmy Rokakis he turned to me and said, "How did Lakewood screw up that sweet deal with the Clinic? Yhey would have honored that contract, they do not want to alienate the residents." It struck me as odd and I had not even announced the closing yet. Then when I looked at the LOI I realized it was the city asking them to leave the building, not the Clinic asking to leave. More to the point Mayor Summers asked them to answer the first RFP and they refused as they already had a contract with Lakewood they were happy with. Then the Mayor issued another RFP. It was then I started to smell a rat, and the rats became painfully obvious the more I dug and the more other legal minds dug into the whole debacle.

Richard, while you and I have different backgrounds, you understand business. Look at the numbers, all the Clinic received was a far payout to leave a contract they had no interest in leaving. City Hall desperate to grab the non-profits funds threw in a bunch of sugar. Land the Clinic would own, residents paying building their new building, exclusives seats on boards, all to get the Clinic to drop their current contract. The Clinic's move was a straight business deal. City Hall were the sluts willing to do anything to get control of LHF and this other paltry sums over 10 years.

The Cleveland Clinic is the easy target to blame, everyone hates big medicine, but our enemy in this whole nightmare has been City Hall. It was City Hall that worked for over ten years in secret to shut it down, grab the assets, and build their dream strip mall while controlling all the funds. Why I believe they were hoping to cover up all the mistakes they had made for years. Your neighbors sold us out for some magic beans, and more bullshit promises of better everything.

To this day the only group that has lied, mislead, quoted bullshit numbers, used intimidation was City Hall.

Read the documents, read the findings, look at the court cases.

As for your kid and their broken arm. Two X-ray machines, one Cat Scan and the promise that most simple breaks and day to day issues can be handled at the Family Health Center. There are not overnight rooms, none so overnight stuff will be moved to other hospitals. That was fine with City Hall and signed off on by City Hall. Even when City Hall was offered more money and services by the Clinic the Mayor said no, give it to the private foundations, not the community.

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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Mark Crnolatas » Wed May 30, 2018 6:13 pm

Good coverage Jim.

Couple of questions. How many people does this Health Center plan to employ? Is this place a "feeder" for the hospitals, like Fairview, Avon Lake and such?

Lakewood EMS response time has always been exemplary, but is the mission of this place going to add a longer EXTRA ambulance ride to a "whole hospital"?

My mother, over the years she was alive, had some heart attacks. The quick response and close proximity to LH plus a GREAT staff literally saved her life some 30

years ago and a few times after that. Is that type of situation in the plan for this place? Thanks.


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Wed May 30, 2018 6:19 pm

Mark Crnolatas wrote:Good coverage Jim.

Couple of questions. How many people does this Health Center plan to employ? Is this place a "feeder" for the hospitals, like Fairview, Avon Lake and such?

Lakewood EMS response time has always been exemplary, but is the mission of this place going to add a longer EXTRA ambulance ride to a "whole hospital"?

My mother, over the years she was alive, had some heart attacks. The quick response and close proximity to LH plus a GREAT staff literally saved her life some 30

years ago and a few times after that. Is that type of situation in the plan for this place? Thanks.



Mark

It is definitely and Family Health Center not a Hospital, and as such would be a feeder unit.

Lakewood emergency services police and fire are really good, only time will say how this affects us.

I will ask abut your other questions.

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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Wed May 30, 2018 6:30 pm

cmager wrote:
Jim O'Bryan wrote:The Clinic snuck nothing out. They were given the right to take them out by LHA and our elected officials who merely acted like they were not complicit. I have a question for you. You go to the Art Museum, and the director and staff say, we can put this picasso in your car, it is worth millions, and you will never be charged and be given a bill of sale. Do you say no? That is exactly what our elected officials and LHA did, not the Clinic. And now they are covering that up by destroying and hiding documents. Do not fall for the lies and the smoke screen.

1. If one accepts this portrayal of a passive Clinic?
2. Yes! You most definitely say NO to putting a Picasso in your car. HELL NO, in fact. The Clinic and their army of lawyers, no doubt some from Lakewood, should have marched to a law enforcement agency capable of investigating and prosecuting public corruption. Absolve the Clinic of none of this.



CM

Nice grandstanding.

No one said there were passive. The Cleveland Clinic behaved exactly as I would expect any massive multi-national corporation to act like. I have even portrayed it as Clinic lawyers betting a dollar over what else they could get City Hall to throw in. But why would any of us expect anything less?

BUT, our lawsuit should have been with our fiduciary agents and LHA. That is who was managing the entire deal. Ten years ago, if the Clinic was trying to break their contract, steal services, cheat the residents in anyway LHA should have blown the whistle. Our Mayor and Council members on LHA should have sounded alarms. Instead they expedited the entire fleecing of this community.

I am with you, I would have said no to the Picasso. Everyone is not as strong as you and I.

I would point out that the Clinic refused to answer the first LOI, then the Mayor demanded it. I would also point out that the Mayor has enough control to renegotiate any contract the City Has at anytime.

This entire nightmare lies with Mayor Summers, FitzGerald, Mary Louise Madigan, Tom Bullock, and to a certain extent John Litten who was not a councilman but on the LHA Board. I would also say some members of the old council and now some members of the new council are complicit in this terrible deal, as they contiue the lies, the cover-up and even some of the intimidation of those daring to ask questions.

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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Bill Call » Thu May 31, 2018 5:27 am

Here is a list of services said to be provided on the third floor of the new medical office building:

• Third Floor

◦ Draw Lab (Phlebotomy)
◦ 36 Internal Medicine and Multi-Specialty Exam Rooms for
▪ Geriatrics
▪ Dermatology
▪ Diabetes Education
▪ Diabetic Eye Exams
▪ Endocrinology
Endocrinology Surgery
▪ Pulmonary
▪ Pulmonary Function Testing
▪ Allergy
▪ Allergy / Skin Testing
▪ Neurology
▪ Cardiology
▪ Urology
▪ Nephrology
General Surgery
Pediatric Surgery
Colorectal Surgery
▪ Gastroenterology
▪ Adult Psychiatry
▪ Pediatric Psychiatry
▪ Adult Psychology
◦ Group Education and Shared Medical Appointment Room
◦ LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) Center
▪ The LGBT Center will have providers who understand the health needs of LGBT patients, and access to specialists with expertise in their care


Will these surgeries be performed on site?


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am

Bill

I am sending the next round of question off this afternoon, and have a meeting next week.

I will make sure, my thought is if they are on that list as being offered there, they are there.

Any other questions from you or other Observers?

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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Bridget Conant » Thu May 31, 2018 7:11 am

How many Primary Care physicians?

Will these PCPs be accepting new patients?

Will they be offering “same day appointments” like they advertise on the radio, busses, and billboards?


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Bill Call » Thu May 31, 2018 7:29 am

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Bill

I am sending the next round of question off this afternoon, and have a meeting next week.

I will make sure, my thought is if they are on that list as being offered there, they are there.

Any other questions from you or other Observers?

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How much is the facility fee?
How much is parking?
Will there be a separate urgent care area so residents can avoid the high cost of emergency room care?
Will MRI imaging be available on a day to day basis? People are being sent to Avon for that service now.
Will the Clinic be closing any offices in Lakewood when the new medical office building is open?
What are the regular office hours?


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Paul Schrimpf » Thu May 31, 2018 10:34 am

Bottom line for me is, if you took two absolutely identical medical situations, run through Lakewood, then run through Fairview, and put the billing side by side, would the cost of the Lakewood option be identical? That's really the only way I'd consider going there.


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby cameron karslake » Thu May 31, 2018 11:39 am

• Third Floor
◦ Draw Lab (Phlebotomy)
◦ 36 Internal Medicine and Multi-Specialty Exam Rooms for
▪ Geriatrics
▪ Dermatology
▪ Diabetes Education
▪ Diabetic Eye Exams
▪ Endocrinology
Endocrinology Surgery
▪ Pulmonary
▪ Pulmonary Function Testing
▪ Allergy
▪ Allergy / Skin Testing
▪ Neurology
▪ Cardiology
▪ Urology
▪ Nephrology
General Surgery
Pediatric Surgery
Colorectal Surgery
▪ Gastroenterology
▪ Adult Psychiatry
▪ Pediatric Psychiatry
▪ Adult Psychology
◦ Group Education and Shared Medical Appointment Room
◦ LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) Center
▪ The LGBT Center will have providers who understand the health needs of LGBT patients, and access to specialists with expertise in their care

Jim,

These are the surgeries Bill Call asked it they were to be performed at the FHC. From the list the Clinic provided I can only surmise that they will be performed at the Family Health Center.

Also, lets be careful and call this place what it is, a Family Health Center, not a HOSPITAL! Above you wrote:

"Upon walking in you have a corner area designed to help people not just navigate the building but the medical industry. Issues with funding? Issues with health care? They will be able to direct you to programs, doctors, specialists and places to get help in any way that can benefit you and the community. Again having worked with CCF for over a decade and personally knowing many of their Ombudsmen they are very aware of the fears, the problems, and the confusion that comes from walking into a hospital."

The Family Health Center is definitely NOT a hospital. Except for the "Emergency Department", I imagine the rest of the place shuts down at 5pm, but I'm speculating. Funny, with all the verbiage above, there's no mention of the FHC's operating hours. C'mon Clinic, let's have FULL DISCLOSURE!


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Thu May 31, 2018 12:04 pm

cameron karslake wrote:
Jim,

These are the surgeries Bill Call asked it they were to be performed at the FHC. From the list the Clinic provided I can only surmise that they will be performed at the Family Health Center.

Also, lets be careful and call this place what it is, a Family Health Center, not a HOSPITAL! Above you wrote:

"Upon walking in you have a corner area designed to help people not just navigate the building but the medical industry. Issues with funding? Issues with health care? They will be able to direct you to programs, doctors, specialists and places to get help in any way that can benefit you and the community. Again having worked with CCF for over a decade and personally knowing many of their Ombudsmen they are very aware of the fears, the problems, and the confusion that comes from walking into a hospital."

The Family Health Center is definitely NOT a hospital. Except for the "Emergency Department", I imagine the rest of the place shuts down at 5pm, but I'm speculating. Funny, with all the verbiage above, there's no mention of the FHC's operating hours. C'mon Clinic, let's have FULL DISCLOSURE!



Cameron

First group of questions have been sent off., compiling the second list of questions.

Me calling it a hospital was my comment not theirs. They always refer to it as the Family Health Care Center. So blame that one on me. That said the desk is there to help all with medical questions ranging from treatment to how it will be paid.

I never asked for hours of operation, but will add that to the list.

Good questions all keep them coming.

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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby Mark Crnolatas » Thu May 31, 2018 5:48 pm

A Question of Practicality...

Let's say someone gets in a household laceration at 3 AM fixing late night snack. Blood all over. Since this "thing" isn't open 24/7, the bleeding individual has to still

call 911, and take an extended ambulance ride to a "real hospital". Am I correct in this scenario? So, what would be the point of

going to this "thing" at all when it's only available during LIMITED hours. Sounds fishy to me, although I should reserve my opinion until more info is available. I can

hear the patter behind the curtain....."let's do this to get all those residents especially that LO, to get off our back" .. This is not just MY opinion. A few friends and

neighbors agree. THEY have friends and neighbors, who have friends and neighbors in our city too. Point. The Clinic has obviously already invested a large volume of

money to put this FHC together. Why don't they make some amount of overnight rooms,(Lesser amount than LH had) add a nursing staff, and make it uhhhh...The

Family Care HOSPITAL ? :?


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Re: LO Exclusive - First Peek Inside Family Health Center

Postby T Peppard » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:20 pm

Bridget Conant wrote:They promised to provide transportation for Lakewood seniors who had doctors move west. There’s no bus service from here to the Jacobs facility in Avon.

From what I understand, that promise has not been kept.

Seems a rather simple promise and one that would increase both ACCESS to healthcare and increase wellness.

I suspect it’s just another if the broken promises we’ve been fed
A good friend of mine took the time to drive his senior neighbor all the way to the hospital in Avon on multiple occasions so that she could visit her husband, a retired VETERAN, who had an extensive stay due to serious health issues. They aren’t on social media to express their troubles, but this is a definite example of the importance of that transportation and the detrimental loss of walkabikity to our hospital. I hope there is accountability for leaders responsible for this travesty.



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