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Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Fri May 04, 2012 12:50 pm

Why was there also no talk about this bust which included locals who did NOT get jail time?

http://media.cleveland.com/metro/other/cybersafe.pdf


We need tougher laws for violent crimes. While some hard-working parent could have been driving home to their kids after working all day, they could have been blown up by people in the name of a protest against big banks? If you want to protest foreclosures there are offenders on all ends. Start with the home in Lakewood that went into foreclosure while the owner had a country club wedding and trip to Italy. Start there because her neighbors who paid all their bills just lost a lot of value in their home.

I know you want to keep negative publicity out of Lakewood but we have a right to know who are neighbors are.


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Re: So, no talk that 2 of 5 anarchists come from Lakewood?

Postby Peter Grossetti » Fri May 04, 2012 1:10 pm

Justine - Why was there also no talk about this bust which included locals who did NOT get jail time? http://media.cleveland.com/metro/other/cybersafe.pdf


well, thanks to you ... now there IS talk about it. (ah.. the beauty of The Deck!!!! .. all are welcomed to play along)


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Fri May 04, 2012 3:40 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:Why was there also no talk about this bust which included locals who did NOT get jail time?

http://media.cleveland.com/metro/other/cybersafe.pdf


We need tougher laws for violent crimes. While some hard-working parent could have been driving home to their kids after working all day, they could have been blown up by people in the name of a protest against big banks? If you want to protest foreclosures there are offenders on all ends. Start with the home in Lakewood that went into foreclosure while the owner had a country club wedding and trip to Italy. Start there because her neighbors who paid all their bills just lost a lot of value in their home.

I know you want to keep negative publicity out of Lakewood but we have a right to know who are neighbors are.




Justine

You recent posts truly confuse me. "I know you want to keep negative publicity about
Lakewood out..." I have never tried to stop anything from getting out.

I moved this to its own thread so it would not get lost in the other thread.

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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Fri May 04, 2012 3:58 pm

Well to clear up your confusion Jim, I am mad as hell when I hear about violent criminals such as this and it bothered me that I came on the deck to see if I could learn more about this boy from Lakewood who is my son's age and to read what sounded like an attack on the cop and minimizing what they did. I have a lot of friends who travel that bridge.

I am mad as hell to sit down for dinner one evening and have a discussion with a man whose son was molested horrible from this ring where it damaged him and his family irreparably and to know some of them not only lived in Lakewood, but did not get jail time. I didn't believe him. It was too outlandish of a story to believe. I left him weeping and will spare you the details. So I went home and googled it and found different links like this. It was true but no one knows about it? I just want things like this not covered up. I am not going to leave Lakewood because of animals like this, or stop loving and caring for Lakewood, but I deserve to be an informed parent. To be able to make the decision if my kids can walk the dog on our block, not far from one of these animals, I should be informed. Because of all the good I try to participate in with the school and community, I want these things to be more public so many of us can write to people who matter to get these people behind bars.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Fri May 04, 2012 4:09 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:Well to clear up your confusion Jim, I am mad as hell when I hear about violent criminals such as this and it bothered me that I came on the deck to see if I could learn more about this boy from Lakewood who is my son's age and to read what sounded like an attack on the cop and minimizing what they did. I have a lot of friends who travel that bridge.


Justine

I get why you are mad

But no one connected with this project have ever tried to keep anything from getting
out, for conversation, discussion or for warning purposes.

That is what I did not understand. The comment "I know you try to keep..."


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Fri May 04, 2012 6:29 pm

I do think that keeping violent crimes out of the news is done so to protect property values and I get that to a point. They also keep rape reports out of college news so parents don't withdraw their daughters. But being made aware helps everyone make better informed decisions. The ring of sex offenders mentioned went to court in the last year and I don't know why most did not get jail time. Maybe if the public knew we could all write to the prosecutors and people involved so they didn't make plea deals and send them back to our community. The younger ones you see listed were paid with money and drugs to get the kids to the offenders. This could have been any of our kids. But I am not mad at you Jim :x and sorry if it appeared that way. I just want to be more informed and don't want violent crimes minimized.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Peter Grossetti » Sun May 06, 2012 7:57 am

Justine - Can you clarify who "they" specifically are? You say:
"I do think that keeping violent crimes out of the news is done so to protect property values and I get that to a point. They also keep rape reports out of college news..."


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Ivor Karabatkovic » Sun May 06, 2012 10:10 am

this was covered and talked about heavily when it happened in 2009, because it was the biggest sting in Ohio's history.

Having gone to school with some of the accused offenders on the list, I still remember the day this report came out vividly. It was talked about, it was covered.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Sun May 06, 2012 3:43 pm

I don't remember this at all Ivor and anyone I ask doesn't either which is weird. In the last year and a half many went to trial or pleaed and I didn't see any of that in the local news either, like it was pushed away. Some of them are living here and I can't figure out why they didn't go to jail. This was a huge sting but it seems like it made it out of the news when they were mostly all let go. Even the worst offenders among the group got very little time. I would love to know why.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Ivor Karabatkovic » Mon May 07, 2012 12:48 am

I can speak for one of them, and he was acquitted, because he was actually deployed in Afghanistan for over a year and was still overseas serving when charges were filed against him. It took over $100K in legal fees and being flown back from active duty to clear his name, but that's why one isn't in jail. Once he was cleared of all charges, he flew back to Afghanistan to finish his tour. The other two, I think one was charged as a juvenile and the other I don't know about. They were all recent LHS graduates at the time (within 3 years).

There were a lot of men on that list that not only had charges of downloading or possessing child pornography, but also creating it. I'm guessing those were the jail sentences. I'm sure individual court cases could be looked up for details, too, if you really want to know. But from the quick searches I've done, a lot of the individuals with charges received X years of probation and a sex offender label. Depending on the level sex offender they are, there are different requirements that go with each level.. like how often you have to check in your location, etc.

Maybe that was the route the judge went with. Maybe he/she gave most of them probation and a sex offender label, that way they can't live nearby a school and neighbors would be notified if they moved into the neighborhood.

Not quite sure. Just guessing, honestly.

**edit- while I agree with you Justine, that this should've been covered more in the local news (because it's quite serious and disturbing), it really doesn't surprise me that it was pushed aside. On a grand scale of things, when was the last time you heard about Haiti and how they were doing there? Or the devastating earthquake/tsunami in Japan from last year? Things do get swept under the rug with the national, regional and local media. Unfortunately, in these cases.

That's why we have the Deck. Residents can post what concerns them on here and answers will show up. If no answers arise, at least a group of involved residents can form and say "hey, this isn't good, how can we fix this and what can we do about it."


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Mon May 07, 2012 7:07 pm

Thank you for that information. On a grand scale, yes I agree a lot is not being covered, including Syria which is still going on. I guess with this topic, as a parent, I feel so strongly that parents should be updated and constantly informed not only that this happened and that some of them are living here, but how it happened so parents can talk to their children. These incidents were not abducations from the street but people who knew people and groomed people. The ages abused went down to infancy. I wish I had that man's phone number I talked to because his story should be heard, albeit anonymous names, but how it happened and the damage that dominoed his family into a place with no recovery. The fact that this was going on here and in all neigborhing suburbs is unbelievable to me. And while some were juveniles, the crimes they committed against young boys by befriending them and bringing them to the abusers is unthinkable. Almost every one pleaded out and got NO jail time and the commuity probably wasn't aware of the sentences or I would like to think there would have been outrage.

I walked down to Mahalls with my children Friday night (where the vibe was incredible and the place was hopping) and walked home at 11 pm and felt completely safe, after earlier walking to the NIcholson House for their wine event. I don't want to sound like I don't feel safe as it was actually an amazing night with amazing locals and I felt nothing but love for this town. But the fact that this happened and could be still happening or could happen again leads me to passionatley believe it should be talked about or covered just for the sake of awareness, that if one child was saved from something like this again that would be worth it. People flew in from around the country for the pedophiles here. :shock:

There was a horrible story on Dr. Phil about girl bullying at age 12 on today that I made my daughter watch with me. Three girls viciously attacked a friend badly over comments, gossip, a boy. That is not an isolated incident either. I hear about the girl bullying at the middle schools all the time around here but that doesn't get addressed either. I am hoping with this national bullying campaign that it will. The worst part was the apathy from some of the girls parents after watching the vicious video of their daughters beating another girl bloody. And I have seen that apathy in parents when their kids do something wrong. I showed my daughter in the hopes she would never be on either end of that group mentality (I would like to know she wouldn't) or the target but there is so much going on with children I wish it were talked about more, acknowledged, covered to prevent more kids from being hurt.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Mon May 07, 2012 7:30 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:But the fact that this happened and could be still happening or could happen again leads me to passionatley believe it should be talked about or covered just for the sake of awareness, that if one child was saved from something like this again that would be worth it. People flew in from around the country for the pedophiles here. :shock:


Justine

I am not sure why you are surprised over this and the ADD mentality society has even for
crimes like this. I am sure you remember the Brother Petty/Phil Distasio story. The Friar
Pedophile that openly preached having sex with children, and had many Lakewood parents
come to his Rocky River house to sign their children up for his "special education." Parents were at his
house have told me that often he left to go to the airport to pick up people. What was most
amazing was Phil aka Brother Petty was pretty creepy, and very open. He stood up in the
middle of a Lakewood coffee shop to argue his right to have sex with children. Of course
by then I had already called the police and we were helping track him. But many Lakewood
and Rocky River parents met with Phil in his really creepy house.

While Phil is serving 37 life prison sentences, what most do not realize is that is from one
family, 3 kids in his care. What we found out and was reported by the LO but no other
news source in America is that he was implicated in another 226 children. That he had
worked at 3 Cuyahoga County Homes, 3 YMCAS, and was a teacher had helper in
Columbus. Handled Special need babies and children in St. Louis at 4 locations and that his
roommate was serving a life sentence in Missouri, for drugging children and advertising
them for "use" in publications that deal with that sickness.

But they only covered the case for a couple days. When his best friend and cohort killed
himself at Stinchcomb, they barely mentioned the connection. Even then parents were
defending both as misunderstood. Misunderstood?

So all news stories seem to blow by very quickly, and the "media" has very little stomach
for anything that has been a headline twice.

Thanks for bringing it up again.

Dan Slife's outing of Brother Petty.
http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2005/09/09/the-outing-of-a-petty-charter

The Deck Conversation
http://lakewoodobserver.com/deck/viewtopic.php?t=3005&sid=9b7b8ea03e697464133ac31afb58232c

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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Mon May 07, 2012 7:38 pm

Between that incident and this latest incident which I didn't see mentioned locally, it just gives more credence to why it should have been covered. THESE perpetrators did NOT get jail time and some still live among us. As a parent, I think it is imperative that this case should have also got covered, even it you were not personally invovled in capturing the criminals. And the sentencing should be covered so every concerned citizen can write to the people who gave them probation.

All the arrested in Petty's case got time, none of these.


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Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This

Postby Justine Cooper » Mon May 07, 2012 7:48 pm

The single biggest accomplishment out of the many the LO has made is the arrest of Petty.

The fact that this similar ring operated here and in all area suburbs so soon after is astonishing and yes I will always be shocked by stories like this. More talk., More education in schools. More prevention. One child saved is worth, well priceless.

When the Penn State scandal hit the news there were people defending the men who allowed the severe abuse of many boys. In the name of football. In the name of a great coach. But my sister's friend, who was sexually abused as a boy by a coach had been raising money to support his documentary of this very issue and was failing. Then the news hit and Anderson Cooper called and it looks like his documentary will get aired. And it will save some children. Encourage children to speak out in a world that shames them into silence. God forbid we upset the college football teams with minor things like this.


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