Another question - Fitzgerald - where are getting the money
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Another question - Fitzgerald - where are getting the money
I have looked at your financial statements and looked at your mailers.
Printing costs for a 10,000 piece four color, glossy mailer would be at least $10,000 if not more - those are very, very expensive pieces yet your financials have no indication of monies or in kind donation that would account for the costs of even one piece, let alone the postage.
In addition, four storefronts in the Hilliard theater building, most store fronts rent for at least $400.00 a month. As far as I have observed, you have had these storefronts for at least 4 months - 4 x 400 would be $1,600 not incuding utilities.
Who did you make promises to, why haven't you accounted for these expenses, even if they are in-kind donations?
What piece of Lakewood are you intending to sell out for these amenities?
Didn't you think anyone would notice?
Printing costs for a 10,000 piece four color, glossy mailer would be at least $10,000 if not more - those are very, very expensive pieces yet your financials have no indication of monies or in kind donation that would account for the costs of even one piece, let alone the postage.
In addition, four storefronts in the Hilliard theater building, most store fronts rent for at least $400.00 a month. As far as I have observed, you have had these storefronts for at least 4 months - 4 x 400 would be $1,600 not incuding utilities.
Who did you make promises to, why haven't you accounted for these expenses, even if they are in-kind donations?
What piece of Lakewood are you intending to sell out for these amenities?
Didn't you think anyone would notice?
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One more unanswerable question - that little mailer that I received in the mail.
You know the one that is about 5" x 7" on card stock, glossy, four color with original artwork?
That would cost how much?
Not standard mailer amount I'm sure.
One more unanswerable question - that little mailer that I received in the mail.
You know the one that is about 5" x 7" on card stock, glossy, four color with original artwork?
That would cost how much?
Not standard mailer amount I'm sure.
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Sharon,
do numbers bounce around in your head when you're asleep?
I don't know if printing 10,000 flyers would cost $10,000. just my opinion.
Looks like we have a future finance director in the making. I'll keep you in mind when my friend graduates from college and takes city hall by storm as the next great thing.
I have to talk him out of becoming a parole officer and start aiming for something like mayor or council member first.
which will be in about.....4 years.![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
do numbers bounce around in your head when you're asleep?
I don't know if printing 10,000 flyers would cost $10,000. just my opinion.
Looks like we have a future finance director in the making. I'll keep you in mind when my friend graduates from college and takes city hall by storm as the next great thing.
I have to talk him out of becoming a parole officer and start aiming for something like mayor or council member first.
which will be in about.....4 years.
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Ivor -
Numbers do not bounce around in my head.
But I have a background as an organizer and I've had many things printed and participated in putting together things to print and getting price comparisons. Take one of those pieces to a printer. It would have to be a union printer because there is a bug on all the pieces. Get an estimate for typesetting, stock/glossy paper in four color, for 10,000 pieces and see how far off I am.
By the way, I am constantly in contact with numerous experienced people, so my guesstimates are checked with others before I put my name to them.
My round figures are a leavening of an estimated cost. There are over 10,000 registered voters in Lakewood. I know this beause I have worked with the records.
Actually Ivor, I have quite a varied background.
I have no need of another career. I am 57 years old.
Numbers do not bounce around in my head.
But I have a background as an organizer and I've had many things printed and participated in putting together things to print and getting price comparisons. Take one of those pieces to a printer. It would have to be a union printer because there is a bug on all the pieces. Get an estimate for typesetting, stock/glossy paper in four color, for 10,000 pieces and see how far off I am.
By the way, I am constantly in contact with numerous experienced people, so my guesstimates are checked with others before I put my name to them.
My round figures are a leavening of an estimated cost. There are over 10,000 registered voters in Lakewood. I know this beause I have worked with the records.
Actually Ivor, I have quite a varied background.
I have no need of another career. I am 57 years old.
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it's always good to put pieces together.
the dumbest question to ask is one that you don't ask, and especially in an election year it's good to know who you're voting for or against.
I don't know if all 10,000 people received a pamphlet, I haven't received anything other than something from Mike Summers and Colleen Wing personally as they walked on my street to campaign.
Still, your "guesstimate" is pretty close, and good.
Have you met Bill Call? I heard he's pretty good with numbers too.![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
the dumbest question to ask is one that you don't ask, and especially in an election year it's good to know who you're voting for or against.
I don't know if all 10,000 people received a pamphlet, I haven't received anything other than something from Mike Summers and Colleen Wing personally as they walked on my street to campaign.
Still, your "guesstimate" is pretty close, and good.
Have you met Bill Call? I heard he's pretty good with numbers too.
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FYI
I used www.jakprints.com when I ran and here is a link to an 11x17 folded in half brochure. The only other expense would be postage, which is discounted if it went through a mailing house.
http://www.jakprints.com/brochure-printing-one-fold/
I used www.jakprints.com when I ran and here is a link to an 11x17 folded in half brochure. The only other expense would be postage, which is discounted if it went through a mailing house.
http://www.jakprints.com/brochure-printing-one-fold/
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Thanks Ryan -
I may be high balling - I could be wrong - but first of all.
This place is not a union printer. Secondly this size is off and would require non-standard settings or specialty cutting and I'm not sure which.
So let's low ball it -
Custom size w/union bug - $3,000
Printing 10,000 disparate addresses - 2,000
Printing first class postage certification - 800
Sort for post office - 1,200
Total - $7,000 Low ball - but still pretty pricey
Add in first class postage (don't remember what it is now)
so I'll say .38
.38 x 10,000 Total $3,800
Total for entire mailing would be about $10,800 - including postage.
Now - I'm not sure how many mailings he's done but it kind of boggles the mind at this point.
Let's say 10.
10 x $10,800 is $108,000
Hope he's showing some pretty hefty monetary or in kind donations on his financials.
I may be high balling - I could be wrong - but first of all.
This place is not a union printer. Secondly this size is off and would require non-standard settings or specialty cutting and I'm not sure which.
So let's low ball it -
Custom size w/union bug - $3,000
Printing 10,000 disparate addresses - 2,000
Printing first class postage certification - 800
Sort for post office - 1,200
Total - $7,000 Low ball - but still pretty pricey
Add in first class postage (don't remember what it is now)
so I'll say .38
.38 x 10,000 Total $3,800
Total for entire mailing would be about $10,800 - including postage.
Now - I'm not sure how many mailings he's done but it kind of boggles the mind at this point.
Let's say 10.
10 x $10,800 is $108,000
Hope he's showing some pretty hefty monetary or in kind donations on his financials.
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Ivor -
They came in the mail - I saw my mailman put it into my box. I live in an apartment building and you can't get into the mailbox without a special key. Each individual box has a unique lock.
They came in the mail - I saw my mailman put it into my box. I live in an apartment building and you can't get into the mailbox without a special key. Each individual box has a unique lock.
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Sharon, where is your 10,000 figure coming from? Any way to substantiate it?
Maybe Mayor George loaned him some of the money that the developer interested in Kauffman park donated to the George campaign to help cover it? Or has he actually done the right thing and returned that money to avoid the appearance of impropriety?![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Maybe Mayor George loaned him some of the money that the developer interested in Kauffman park donated to the George campaign to help cover it? Or has he actually done the right thing and returned that money to avoid the appearance of impropriety?
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Actually, that's the figure that Ed gave me in January when we were working together.
I sincerely think that people need to quit harping on the developer money. It's really not a big deal, developers always give money to incumbent candidates. It's not all that much in the scheme of things, heck Suzanne Metelko gave three times that amount to Ryan!
And don't miss the point of everything I'm saying, there are out and out lies on Ed's campaign materials so why should I believe his financials, especially when estimated out of pocket, even before the last financials were filed exceed what was reported? Why wouldn't I question it.
Not that it's doing a lot of good. I don't see him answering me even though I have seen him lurking on the board.
Bryan - Question what you hear - believe what you can find out on your own and question the differences.
I sincerely think that people need to quit harping on the developer money. It's really not a big deal, developers always give money to incumbent candidates. It's not all that much in the scheme of things, heck Suzanne Metelko gave three times that amount to Ryan!
And don't miss the point of everything I'm saying, there are out and out lies on Ed's campaign materials so why should I believe his financials, especially when estimated out of pocket, even before the last financials were filed exceed what was reported? Why wouldn't I question it.
Not that it's doing a lot of good. I don't see him answering me even though I have seen him lurking on the board.
Bryan - Question what you hear - believe what you can find out on your own and question the differences.
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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